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Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - Here we go again!


onyourtoes Joined on 12 feb 2007 Total posts: 656	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event dinsdag 22 september 2009 5:02 The Dutch Open is and always should be a truly OPEN event exactly the same as Blackpool - the British Open or Bournemouth - UK Open. It is hard to undertand why the IDSF go off on a new threatening road losing them more suport and goodwill.. Control and Power freaks ! Spite is never pleasant to witness. It will only cause them further damage. My understanding is that the NADB will register FREE OF CHARGE all couples as members of NADB - which takes care of the IDSF Registration - and for The Dutch Open only these couples will be Dutch. Lets face it WDC have an Open Market Policy so they have no problems with their members being IDSF registered. It is the IDSF who are too terrified to reciprocate. It would be tragic if all those who steadfastly supported Assen despite every threat and intimidatory act if they were now facing threats of not being allowed to compete and I am certain that not for one moment would Mr Bijster allow this.
Geronimo Joined on 20 mei 2007 Total posts: 101	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event dinsdag 22 september 2009 18:33 Dear Onyoutoes, I'm sure you are dead-right. But let's look at the facts to prove this: 1. There is an agreement between NADB and SDI. Surely they will know what's in the agreement! And in their combined press release they announce proudly to have reached an agreement where ALL couples can dance. This was the issue of dispute in the first place. That problem is solved now by the Dutch. NADB recognizes the festival, therefore it is (as before) a NADB-event, not an IDSF-event. Furthermore they both declare that the festival is to running under NADB-rules. I would say that this information, agreed by both parties of the agreement, is more believable and accurate than any communication from any third party. Now let's look at the IDSF-message. In general it is not very different from the press release of NADB/SDI. In the first place they state that Assen is now open for all IDSF-registered couples. Then they announce that they will register any couple in their system. So of course (if you will register everybody) ALL couples can dance! This is like a circle-reasoning: Only registered couples can dance, but we will register everybody. Finally IDSF has seen the light: doing proper administration instead of excluding dancers! Let's just hope they will do the same in all other competitions and finally create a truly unified image of amateur-dancing: everybody in, no-one left out. IDSF hasn't got the right to register every dancer, it's much more their duty! Now let's look at Assen itself: As far as I know Mr. Bijster always was and always intended to be recognized by NADB, not neccessarely by IDSF. Mr. Bijster never sought an argument with NADB, just did not choose to exclude couples from the competition. This is all achieved now: 1. All couples can dance. 2. NADB-recognition is established. 3. In the program of Assen couples will dance under their own names and for themselves. You will not find the name of a country behind the name of the couple. And of course there are the competitors: They can dance Assen and some of them (actually quite a lot) have supported Assen all the way. There names will be written down by an administrative organisation called IDSF. And maybe taken out again later in the year if IDSF feels that's a good idea. So what's the big deal? Should you worry about anybody writing down your name? Should you worry about anybody including you instead of excluding you? As far as I can see there is one real winner in this game: the dancer. By their support of open competitions they showed the world their power. And it took some people a long time to realize that dancers only want one thing: compete against ALL the rest, not only part of the rest. And it was that reason alone that the WDC Amateur League surfaced! Kind regards, Geronimo
openeyes Joined on 07 jan 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event dinsdag 22 september 2009 22:29 Geronimo I do support all that you have to say. My question is WHY do IDSF discredit themselves and produce misinformation and half truths. In the Press Release concerning the Agreement it states very simply "All amateur competitions in Assen will be run under NADB Rules and Regulations" Crisp and crystal clear. The IDSFwho were not signatories invent their own version. They insert "IDSF" where it most certainly is not in the agreement and worse place it first! . Their misinformation reads "All amateur competitions in Assen will be run under IDSF/NADB Rules and Regulations". Are IDSF still determined to ignore what the dancers want? Are IDSF wriggling to "save face" after their Netherlands member listened to the Netherlands dancers and registered the event despite the IDSF "pressure" not to make this move? The real truth is that it was totally unnecessary, and misguided, for IDSF to make any statement. There are times when it is better to say nothing at all.
Geronimo Joined on 20 mei 2007 Total posts: 101	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event dinsdag 22 september 2009 23:06 Dear Openeyes, Habits are hard to break. And IDSF has been shooting in their own feet ever since that train has left. It would have been much better if they would have limited themselves to stating that now NADB recognizes Assen and that's it. Or, like you say, just say nothing at all. But Assen seems to have their special attention and that in itself is interesting: Why do they not mark all the other comps (see the competitions on the Amateur League calendar) as "unregistered" on their website?? Why do they not punish "IDSF-couples" who dance in those other competitions?? Why did they only pick out certain couples and judges last year and not all in their punishments?? But the good part is that even IDSF seems to come to their senses and realize that there must be something done about the little tirants in some countries that will do anything to stop couples from competing, unless under their power and control. We all look at IDSF, but it might be very interesting to also look at certain countries like Italy, Canada, Ukraine and Russia, where more and more couples leave the IDSF-members and join the WDC AL. You can't really hold it against IDSF that they try not to loose face, nobody likes that. But it seems they need some more education to do that more elegant and maybe, just maybe, be a little more modest about it. In the end the two parties that solved this problem were both from Holland. Hopefully this solution will bear fruit and last for a long time! If I were IDSF I think I would have given credit to those people and instead of what is written now, just something like: "The presidium of the IDSF congratulates Holland on the agreement they have reached on the Dutch Open Championships 2009 in Assen, enabling us to re-instate this wonderful event as "registered", open for all IDSF-competitors." That would probably have given them a lot of credit and at the same time lifted away some of the blame that they now still get from quite a few, by more or less telling everyone it was a Dutch problem............... But, I'm not their press-officer, so that will not happen, I assume. Geronimo
quicktime2 Joined on 31 aug 2007 Total posts: 181	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event donderdag 24 september 2009 8:14 Geronimo you mention that Assen seems to rate special attention by IDSF. Why is it so? You will no doubt recall that not long ago Canada also received that sort of special attention. The IDSF faithfully advertised for years on its web site all the competitions held in Canada by the non-IDSF amateur organization associated with the Canadian member of the WDC. Never mind that most were relatively small local competitions. At the same time there were hundreds of other non IDSF sanctioned competitions all over the world that were never mentioned. If a country has a group of professionals who cannot achieve their ends within the WDC structure and are therefore willing to join the IDSF camp, the IDSF will do everything possible to help them succeed. The countries you mention all seem to fall in that area. At the IDSF AGM a couple of years ago, one of the Presidium members congratulated the “new” members on their 10 years in office and the changes they had brought about with their modern business approach to dancesport. The result has been the worst period in the history of dancesport. They have even squandered any opportunity to be in the Olympics. Although this needed the full support of WDC and IDSF for any chance of success. Until the majority of IDSF countries vote in an executive who will work for the dancers and not for the glorification of their executive, little change will occur. Many of these people were never really involved in ballroom dancing and are only there in self interest.
longshot Joined on 10 mrt 2009 Total posts: 12	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event dinsdag 29 september 2009 18:15 thank you Geronimo, I truly wish you were IDSF, or IDSF had written such an acknowledgement. Giving recognition is not a sign of weakness, in fact it is impowering.
openeyes Joined on 07 jan 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: DUTCH OPEN/ASSEN 2009 - No longer an unrecognised event donderdag 15 oktober 2009 19:05 II note that the IDSF have now revised their previous statement on their website. Now it reads NADB has confirmed to IDSF that all Amateur competitions at Assen event will follow the IDSF Rules and Regulation. Quite a change! Maybe they read dancesportinfo.net The agreement was made between two parties for the good of all dancers and in the best interests of dancesport. Naturally IDSF was not party to the agreement. Neither side was supposed to claim victory so IDSF work against the entire spirit of the agreement. . It is so sad.